Tretinoin
2023-04-07:
Tretinoin (all-trans retinoic acid)
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- MOA is by agonizing RAR (nuclear receptors) on Keratinocytes. RAR heteromerizes with RXR. The complex binds with RAREs (RA RA response elements) for all their downstream effects on transcription factors:
- EGF signaling for cell division-> epidermal hyperplasia.
- Competes for coactivator proteins of AP-1
- Cutting Edge: All-trans Retinoic Acid Down-Regulates TLR2 Expression and Function1
- Topical tretinoin therapy and all-cause mortality
- Look into Tazarotene. It’s stronger than .1% tretinoin, at least.
- Tretinoin Enhances Minoxidil Response in Androgenetic Alopecia Patients by Up‐Regulating Follicular Sulfotransferase Enzymes Upregulating SULT enhances conversion of minoxidil to its active form, minoxidil sulfate.
- Regarding the hayflick limit: the thing is, even though the division rate of Keratinocytes is being increased, epidermal stem cells are constantly making new ones.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/tretinoin/comments/ia7v01/been_on_1_for_a_year_no_more_big_breakouts_but/
- Possible complications with fungal acne tdue to isopropyl myristate concent in tretinoin cream.
- Or just closed omedomes, which calls for some BHA.
- NRF2 inhibitor.
Blepharitis/Dry Eye #
- = Meibomian gland damage
- Blepharitis in the United States 2009: a survey-based perspective on prevalence and treatment
- Wait 20-30 mins after washing to apply - and wait 20 minutes b efore skincare, moisturizer, etc.
- There are horror stories of dry eyes from it. People put vaseline around their eyes to block it out (thought vaseline itself could ry it out)
- Or aquaphor, that stuff i used as chapstick I’m pretty sure
- (Sandwich method: light moisturizing both before and after.)
- The initial moisture might give extra penetration, though.
- There are horror stories of dry eyes from it. People put vaseline around their eyes to block it out (thought vaseline itself could ry it out)
Protocol #
- Keep away from the corners of the nose, mouth, and the eyes of course.
- Retinization: Dryness and peeling, and then the purge, with more acne etc. Lasts a few weeks or up to many months before progress ensues. Apparently this doesn’t have to happen. But it does 2-4 weeks after beginning.
- Due to opening of microcomedones.
- I read it’s much better for consistent low dose than infrequent high dose. https://www.reddit.com/r/tretinoin/comments/12j166t/in_defense_of_rapid_retinization/ doing it nightly right off the bat might get retinization over with. Perhaps it lets the stratum corneum get thinned out ASAP.
- A lot of people, for instance on reddit, combine it with Azelaic Acid after a certain point.
- I think you start with using it separately in the morning and then morning+night (so with tret) once you acclimate to the AZA - apply after for the retinols to absorb better.
- Alternatively, I could use it on nights I don’t use tret. 15%+
- I think you start with using it separately in the morning and then morning+night (so with tret) once you acclimate to the AZA - apply after for the retinols to absorb better.
- 0.025-0.1 have the same anti-aging benefits after 1 year mark?
- Thickens the deeper layers over time, while compacting (not destroying or whatever) the stratum corneum.
- Salicylic Acid could contribute to irritation?
- Niacinamide probably mixes well. Some people say it’s comedogenic and it mya exacerbate but who knows
Source #
- I’vew heard highstreetpharma as well which is a modafinil site I recognize.
- Altreno is a new product. Not vegan I think. And it’s just paired with random hydrating stuff, I dunno.
- Mixed reviews on what formulation…
- Gel: Usually easier to spread, and may be more moisturizing.
- Cream: Emolient (moisturizing) ones are the best kind.
- Pretty clean formulation also. Mostly FA/FA alcohols.
- Supposedly the isoproyl myristate can be irritating and lead to purging!
- Lotion like altreno might be the best of all types. Highstreetpharma.com: their crypto payment service is verboten in the US. Although I wonder if it has no effect on the actual shipping address
- Skinorac.com: legit, but their only reliable payment method is gift cards (literallly do not redeem) Skincareex.net Alldaychemist.com Tarasc.com
- Thebeautybliss.com: well-received but always out of stock
- Their cream is Tretiheal, which is available elsewhere.
- Amazon pay only Reliablerxpharmacy.com
- Tretin = Bunk. But at least it’s soothing.
- Tretiheal = probably weak too.
- Mercari gel might be my only saving grace
- https://www.buy-pharma.md/Tretinoin-p-173.html?
Prescription #
Goodrx somehow makes coupons. I have no idea how it workss